Nördnytt! 🤓Montana passes Right to Compute act (2025)
- Avicebron - 17370 sekunder sedan> “This bill will help position Montana as a world-class destination for AI and Data Center investment.”
https://frontierinstitute.org/frontier-institute-statement-i...
Ah.
- hermannj314 - 15898 sekunder sedanWhen a "right to..." law is passed, there is usually an accompanying narrative that explains a past injustice that will be corrected. Matthew Shepard hate crime, Civil Rights Voting act, etc.
The absence of such a story makes me think this law doesn't protect shit. What exactly did a Montanian get killed or arrested trying to do with a computer that is now protected? Can I use AI during a traffic stop or use AI to surveil and doxx governemnt employees? What exactly is the government giving up by granting me this right?
Or is this just about supressing opposition to data centers?
- lukeschlather - 16225 sekunder sedanI was really hoping this gave people the right to use their computers, but it really looks like it simply prevents "the government" from regulating the right to "make use of computational resources." So Google or Apple can still prevent me from using my phone for lawful purposes, the government just can't regulate it (and the government might not be able to write restrictions that prevent manufacturers from violating my right to compute.)
- dynm - 15936 sekunder sedanI think the main content of this law (https://legiscan.com/MT/text/SB212/id/3212152) is just two paragraphs. I'd suggest reading them yourself rather than relying on secondary description:
"Government actions that restrict the ability to privately own or make use of computational resources for lawful purposes, which infringes on citizens' fundamental rights to property and free expression, must be limited to those demonstrably necessary and narrowly tailored to fulfill a compelling government interest."
"When critical infrastructure facilities are controlled in whole or in part by a critical artificial intelligence system, the deployer shall develop a risk management policy after deploying the system that is reasonable and considers guidance and standards in the latest version of the artificial intelligence risk management framework from the national institute of standards and technology, the ISO/IEC 4200 artificial intelligence standard from the international organization for standardization, or another nationally or internationally recognized risk management framework for artificial intelligence systems. A plan prepared under federal requirements constitutes compliance with this section."
In particular, I think the reporting is straight wrong that there's a shutdown requirement. That was in an earlier version (https://legiscan.com/MT/text/SB212/id/3078731) and remains in the title of this version, but seems to have been removed from the actual text.
- hnsdev - 15947 sekunder sedanWith laws such as the Brazilian one or the one proposed in New York, I am curious to know what will be the future for computing. On one hand, forbidding and limiting people from using computers as they wish is somewhat impossible, as too many computers that don't have restrictions have already been produced. You can always use old hardware and, with open source projects, fork an old version that will respect your right to compute. At some point though it will be a problem as hardware no longer works and software becomes incompatible with everything. The thing is that those who will probably be doing it mostly are people that already grew accustomed to not live in an Orwellian state, while, on the other hand, newer generations will all be using new systems with these restrictions, as if they were normal. The smart ones will find ways of circumventing it (as if it wouldn't be hard to get your parents CC and verify it as if you were over 18).
Given that, they will be computing in a restrictive and controlled environment. I feel sorry for them.
I am going to college (Computer Science) as an older student with previous experience in programming, and it never ceases to amaze me that the current generation of students doesn't think out of the box and is completely dependent on ChatGPT. We all suffered from conditioning from governments and corporations throughout the years, but it is accelerating at an alarming rate.
Acts like this (the one from Montana) are positive, but unfortunate that they simply have to exist and somewhat irrelevant when the big dogs (California, New York and whole countries such as Australia) approve legislation that will promptly be followed by most companies/projects, which will in turn force this way of things happening everywhere else.
- matheusmoreira - 11230 sekunder sedanPointless and deceptive. A real "right to compute" law would ban remote attestation, would ban discrimination against users based on the "trustworthiness" of their systems, would force companies to allow custom software and firmware as well as provide technical documentation and specifications to users so they can repair and modify the systems they bought.
- arjie - 11500 sekunder sedanOne of America's greatest strengths is the structure of it as a federation. It allows for states like this to take the lead in expanding datacenter infrastructure while other states can choose to shutdown such expansions. This was perhaps more significant in COVID-19 reactions in America, but datacenters have few such externalities and so this is an even more compelling example of variation between states.
The scaling of federal power with population is also significant as states like Texas that allow for more housing to be built will probably receive more seats at the next apportionment while states like California will lose seats. Overall, pretty neat to see the design of America work quite well like this.
- s_dev - 17611 sekunder sedanI really dislike how 'compute' as a noun took over 'computational' as an adjective. I just find the sentence 'I need more computational resources' flows so much nicer than ''I need more compute'.
- elgertam - 7838 sekunder sedanMontana is both cold and sparely populated, so I figure data centers would be good there. Also, I figure Zefram Cochrane could use all that compute for his warp theories in a few decades.
- muyuu - 5080 sekunder sedanI want a right to compute without having to identify myself, or otherwise give any information about myself to the computing system itself.
I was hoping for that as a reaction to the current tyrannical movements worldwide to end anonymous personal computing.
- torginus - 10368 sekunder sedanExcuse me, the article states that this bill was signed on april 17th of last year. How has this become suddenly relevant now?
I would say considering there has been almost a year since this bill was signed, what happened since then? Was it applied to hurt people's interests? Did it drive investment?
Are Montanans demonstrably better or worse off because of this in some way?
- bradley13 - 9339 sekunder sedanMost of the comments are cynical. I read this, at least the "right to compute" part, as a reaction to the current onslaught of censorship and age verification laws. Which is a good thing.
The AI part honestly looks fairly harmless, just applying existing standards, but I may be wrong there...
- dlev_pika - 11543 sekunder sedanThey are so proud to hand over all control to the corporations, while pretending this is a consumer protection centered build - wild
- preinheimer - 14857 sekunder sedanWhat about a “right to create act” giving people the right to create things and not have their creation be ingested to train ai for billion dollar companies?
- xbar - 14657 sekunder sedanDo I have to back in age verification to my OS?
- culi - 15654 sekunder sedanRepost from 4 months ago here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45865289
TL;DR: Basically the AI industry trying to ban governments from regulating it
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- kmeisthax - 17571 sekunder sedanThis is extremely light on details, but I'm pretty sure "Right to Compute" has absolutely nothing to do with software freedom and everything to do with making it harder to oppose giant datacenter buildouts for AI companies, so they can blast you with infrasound, spike the price of electricity and RAM, and build surveillance systems to take away your rights.
- jeffbee - 17663 sekunder sedanIt amuses me how contradictory the two bullet points from the article are.
- Strict limits on governmental regulation, wherein any restrictions must be demonstrably necessary and narrowly tailored to a compelling public safety or health interest.
- Mandatory safety protocols for AI-controlled critical infrastructure, including a shutdown mechanism and compulsory annual risk management reviews.
How were the necessity and scope of the second rule shown to satisfy the first rule?
- selectively - 14755 sekunder sedanThe tragedy is that 'right to compute' is such a great name for something actually useful. Requiring OEMs to allow users to load any OS they want, requiring OEMs to allow full control over a device/OS ('root access') etc.
Instead, it's wasted on AI slop.
- j2kun - 11772 sekunder sedanThe article is full of PR-speak. What is really going on in this law?
- kid64 - 11865 sekunder sedanWhat an egregiously disingenous piece of legislation. Not surprised.
- carlsborg - 11730 sekunder sedanThis is why Montana Civil Defense survives when skynet goes rogue.
- elophanto_agent - 11771 sekunder sedanmontana: where you can compute freely but the nearest data center is 400 miles away and the latency is measured in geological epochs
- 152334H - 14360 sekunder sedan> Apr 21, 2025
why is this posted now?
- jamesgill - 10925 sekunder sedan"The initiative, propelled by advocacy from State Senator Daniel Zolnikov and organizations like the Frontier Institute"
Always follow the money: https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Frontier_Institute
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- geon - 8447 sekunder sedanSo drm is now illegal?
- cat_plus_plus - 11580 sekunder sedanSo what does liberal even mean these days? California is passing bs like age verification in OS and Montana is protecting my right to leave the way I want in my own home, running whatever AI models suit me as long as I am not bothering anyone. That's just another "none of government business" personal freedom issue like pot or sexuality, why aren't blue states all over it. And yes, using tuned LLMs can be like an acid trip, but the distance between having a trip at home and tangible harm is much greater than in the case of access to guns, knives, power tools, cars and rodent poison yet at least some of these are widely available to law abiding citizens in every state. Government interventions can be staged at the points where there is evidence of actual imminent harm, like problematic public behavior. Why are Democrats the new "Reefer Madness" pearl clutchers and why should I still believe they have anything to do with living the way you want?
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- righthand - 14729 sekunder sedanThis is a law designed to force data centers to be built. This is nothing but a bipartisan corporate handout. Nothing to celebrate. The law makers should be ashamed.
EDIT for the downvoters, from the law:
> Any restrictions placed by the government on the ability to privately own or make use of computational resources for lawful purposes must be limited to those demonstrably necessary and narrowly tailored to fulfill a compelling government interest in public health or safety.
This basically means you can't use government action to stop the building of a data-center.