Lemonade by AMD: a fast and open source local LLM server using GPU and NPU
- dennemark - 26531 sekunder sedanI have been using lemonade for nearly a year already. On Strix Halo I am using nothing else - although kyuz0's toolboxes are also nice (https://kyuz0.github.io/amd-strix-halo-toolboxes/)
Nowadays you get TTS, STT, text & image generation and image editing should also be possible. Besides being able to run via rocm, vulkan or on CPU, GPU and NPU. Quite a lot of options. They have a quite good and pragmatic pace in development. Really recommend this for AMD hardware!
Edit: OpenAI and i think nowaday ollama compatible endpoints allow me to use it in VSCode Copilot as well as i.e. Open Web UI. More options are shown in their docs.
- Caum - 19327 sekunder sedanBeen running local LLMs on my 7900 XTX for months and the ROCm experience has been... rough. The fact that AMD is backing an official inference server that handles the driver/dependency maze is huge. My biggest question is NPU support - has anyone actually gotten meaningful throughput from the Ryzen AI NPU vs just using the dGPU? In my testing the NPU was mostly a bottleneck for anything beyond tiny models.
- moconnor - 27300 sekunder sedanIs... is this named because they have a lemon they're trying to make the most of?
- sensitiveCal - 27164 sekunder sedanFeels like this is sitting somewhere between Ollama and something like LM Studio, but with a stronger focus on being a unified “runtime” rather than just model serving.
The interesting part to me isn’t just local inference, but how much orchestration it’s trying to handle (text, image, audio, etc). That’s usually where things get messy when running models locally.
Curious how much of this is actually abstraction vs just bundling multiple tools together. Also wondering if the AMD/NPU optimizations end up making it less portable compared to something like Ollama in practice.
- zozbot234 - 27907 sekunder sedanNote that the NPU models/kernels this uses are proprietary and not available as open source. It would be nice to develop more open support for this hardware.
- rpdillon - 26340 sekunder sedanBeen running lemonade for some time on my Strix Halo box. It dispatches out to other backends that they include, like diffusion and llama. I actually don't like their combined server, and what I use instead is their llama CPP build for ROCm.
https://github.com/lemonade-sdk/llamacpp-rocm
But I'm not doing anything with images or audio. I get about 50 tokens a second with GPT OSS 120B. As others have pointed out, the NPU is used for low-powered, small models that are "always on", so it's not a huge win for the standard chatbot use case.
- JSR_FDED - 27931 sekunder sedanI’ve read the website and the news announcement, and I still don’t understand what it is. An alternative to LM Studio? Does it support MLX or metal on Macs? I’m assuming it will optimize things for AMD, but are you at a disadvantage using other GPUs?
- jmillikin - 28197 sekunder sedanSurprising that the Linux setup instructions for the server component don't include Docker/Podman as an option, its Snap/PPA for Ubuntu and RPM for Fedora.
Maybe the assumption is that container-oriented users can build their own if given native packages?
- bravetraveler - 6265 sekunder sedanA fun observation: pulling models sends ~200mbit of progress updates to your browser
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- nijave - 28886 sekunder sedanAnyone compare to ollama? I had good success with latest ollama with ROCm 7.4 on 9070 XT a few days ago
- cpburns2009 - 26787 sekunder sedanJust in case anyone isn't aware. NPUs are low power, slow, and meant for small models.
- spencer9714 - 6661 sekunder sedanI’m currently optimizing FLUX to run on a cluster of consumer 8GB VRAM cards (RTX 4060s). I noticed Lemonade emphasizes NPU and GPU orchestration. Have you found that offloading the 'aesthetic scoring' or 'text encoding' to the NPU significantly frees up VRAM for the main diffusion process, or is the overhead of moving tensors back and forth too high on consumer hardware?
- freedomben - 27941 sekunder sedanNeat, they have rpm, deb, and a companion AppImage desktop app[1]! Surprised I wasn't aware of this project before. Definitely going to give it a try.
[1]: https://github.com/lemonade-sdk/lemonade/releases/tag/v10.0....
- gnarlouse - 20645 sekunder sedanMaybe it's a language barrier problem, but "by AMD" makes me think its a project distributed by AMD. Is that actually the case? I'm not seeing any reason to believe it is.
- kouunji - 26694 sekunder sedanI’m looking forward to trying this currently Strix halo’s npu isn’t accessible if you’re running Linux, and previously I don’t think lemonade was either. If this opens up the npu that would be great! Resolute raccoon is adding npu support as well.
- ilaksh - 26980 sekunder sedanCool but is there a reason they can't just make PRs for vLLM and llama.cpp? Or have their own forks if they take too long to merge?
- syntaxing - 28622 sekunder sedanWow this is super interesting. This creates a local “Gemini” front end and all. This is more or less a generative AI aggregator where it installs multiple services for different gen modes. I’m excited to try this out on my strix halo. The biggest issue I had is image and audio gen so this seems like a great option.
- pantalaimon - 19390 sekunder sedanIt's pretty annoying that you need vendor specific APIs and a large vendor specific stack to do anything with those NPUs.
This way software adoption will be very limited.
- LowLevelKernel - 9349 sekunder sedanWhich specific NPU’s?
- robotswantdata - 11159 sekunder sedanForget all the vibe coded slop or Ollama. Lemonade is the real deal and very good, been using about a year now.
AMD are doing gods work here
- metalliqaz - 20829 sekunder sedanmy most powerful system is Ryzen+Radeon, so if there are tools that do all the hard work of making AI tools work well on my hardware, I'm all for it. I find it very frustrating to get LLMs, diffusion, etc. working fast on AMD. It's way too much work.
- 9dc - 28642 sekunder sedanso... what does it do? i dont get it Lol
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- shubhamgarg86 - 10097 sekunder sedanthe unified api is interesting, but i've found that 'openai compatible' can be leaky. when i switched a rag agent from openai to a local server, my function calling broke even though
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- luxuryballs - 20362 sekunder sedanthis is funny I’m working on building an AI project called lemonade right now
Nördnytt! 🤓