Kalshi CEO expects US DOJ to prosecute insider trading cases
- slg - 8569 sekunder sedan“If you commit insider trading on Kalshi, that can and will at some point be a federal crime. It is a federal crime, I actually do expect the DOJ to prosecute some of these cases”. I'm guessing that “some point” is sometime after Jan 20th 2029.
- tptacek - 5649 sekunder sedanThis issue reveals the gap between the prediction market premise and what these things actually are, which is: unregulated prop gambling venues.
If things like Kalshi and Polymarket are prediction markets, then, at least as far as the intrinsic concerns of the market itself are concerned, insider trading is a good thing; literally part of the point.
If they are instead how they function today, then insider trading is a game-breaking fairness issue, like having a device to read your opponents cards in a poker game, and then they're a real problem.
You can tell what these businesses think their platforms are for by how they handle these issues.
- Sol- - 3621 sekunder sedanI understand he wants to deflect liability from his platform, but I guess I have to concede that it seems like a legitimate defense. We allow the stock market to exist even though insider trading can happen and it's (I think?) not Nasdaq's or NYSE's responsibility to pursue that. We have a legal system for that.
I think there is still the debate to be had whether prediction market enable too much criminal activity and insider trading compared to traditional stock markets and therefore need to be limited for pragmatic reasons (i.e. the legal system can't keep up), but that's a different discussion.
- jazzpush2 - 6559 sekunder sedanZero chance. This country has become an absolute joke of corruption, especially anything related to insider trading.
- lowkey_ - 6554 sekunder sedan> “If you commit insider trading on Kalshi, that can and will at some point be a federal crime. It is a federal crime,”
Am I misunderstanding? It seems like two different statements he always conflates.
If it becomes a federal crime at some point, it will become illegal from that point — you can't prosecute people for acts committed before they were crimes.
The only way that this could be a federal crime right now is if the government starts prosecuting it under existing laws without any changes. I don't see that as likely.
- SpaceManNabs - 6569 sekunder sedanIsn't the entire point of prediction markets to surface insider trading as a feature and not a bug?
Short, casual reads
- https://jamaalglenn.substack.com/p/prediction-markets-were-d... - https://money.com/prediction-markets-insider-trading/
More academic?
- https://mason.gmu.edu/~rhanson/insiderbet.pdf AND - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yZKGbq1YmA
Discussion on possible solutions that references the academic view
- https://www.dopaminemarkets.com/p/how-to-solve-insider-tradi...
- mlmonkey - 7996 sekunder sedanI'm guessing it's Trump insiders who are busy making bank on inside info. Some of them just happen to be big investors in Polymarket and Kalshi. There's no way they are getting investigated, let alone prosecuted, by this DOJ.
At most some low-level flunkie will get named and slapped on the wrist.
- georgemcbay - 8531 sekunder sedanOk, but isn't the idea that prediction markets surface private knowledge a big part of the defense as to why they shouldn't be treated as illegal gambling?
So like, which is it, is insider trading expected, or are these just gambling sites that should be illegal in many jurisdictions?
- asdfman123 - 5111 sekunder sedanTranslation: "it's not our problem"
Nördnytt! 🤓