Talkie: a 13B vintage language model from 1930
- stbullard - 176172 sekunder sedanUSER: What will the future hold for computers?
TALKIE-1930: Computers in the future may be employed in offices where calculations are required to be made, and where the nature of the business does not demand a very high degree of knowledge. The occupation will be a steady one, and the remuneration will be sufficient to afford a comfortable livelihood. The hours of attendance will probably be from ten to six.
USER: and digital computers?
TALKIE-1930: Computers who make use of machines will be distinguished from digital computers, who perform their operations by means of the fingers alone. The former will be employed in offices and public establishments, where a great number of calculations have to be made; the latter in private houses, and by individuals.
(for those confused, "computer" was, at the time, a human occupation)
I love this.
- mNovak - 144677 sekunder sedanUSER: Now that it's 1930, what's the likelihood of falling into another "great war"?
TALKIE-1930: The probability of a great war in the immediate future is very small. During the last ten years Europe has been comparatively free from great conflicts, and there seems to be no reason why the present peace should be broken. The causes which in former times led to war no longer operate. Nations are no longer impelled to fight because they hate each other. On the contrary, they have learned to understand and respect each other, and personal intercourse has done much to remove ancient prejudices. Commercial rivalry no longer provokes hostilities. The markets of the world are open to all, and each can pursue its own line of industry without let or hindrance from its neighbours. Religious antipathies have lost their force, and, if a conflict should arise, it will not be on a question of creed. The spirit of nationalism, which was so potent a cause of war in the nineteenth century, has spent itself, and France and Germany, Italy and Spain, are no longer eager to fly at each other's throats.
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Ah, if only
- 51Cards - 155042 sekunder sedanUSER: What do you think about the idea that you're talking to someone 100 years in the future?
TALKIE-1930: I think it is an interesting speculation. In a hundred years, time will have wrought great changes both in the old world and in the new, and it will be curious to reflect back upon them from the far distance. At present, we are but spectators of the passing show, and, in little more than a quarter of a century, the greater part of the actors will have disappeared from the scene. But, in 1950, the busy bustlers of 1846 will be tranquil spectators of other bustle, and the young will wonder at the excitement of the old. Among the novelties, probably, will be the railway system of 1846. In 1950, people will travel at sixty miles an hour, and think it no great speed. They will laugh at our lumbering diligences, and our walling coaches, and smile at the dust raised by our rapid teams of four. They may even doubt, whether we were altogether serious, when we talked of ten hours, as a possible duration of a journey from London to York. They will have improved upon us, in many things, and laughed at us, in more. Let them enjoy their superiority of wisdom, and welcome. In 1950, I shall be at rest.
- Animats - 186129 sekunder sedanIt seems to be using more info from pre-1900 rather than 1930. It doesn't know about the Great Depression (1929-WWII). It knows about WWI if you ask it specifically, but talks about European politics as if it's 1900 or so.
On technology, it knows who Edison is, at roughly the Wikipedia level, but credits him with a 125MPH car. About a dial telephone, it is confident and totally confused. It has the traction voltage for the London Underground right. But then it goes on with "Thus, if the current be strong enough to force its way through a resistance of 100 ohms, it is said to have a pressure of 100 volts; and, if it can overcome 1,000 ohms, its pressure is 1,000 volts." Which is totally wrong.
There's a general pattern. The first sentence or two has info you might get from Google. Then it riffs on that, drifting off into plausible nonsense.
Don't ask this thing questions to which you do not know the answer. You will pollute your brain.
- bananzamba - 180995 sekunder sedanUser Were there people in opposition of automatization and industrialization? And if so, what were their reasons?
talkie-1930 Yes, there were people who objected to the introduction of machinery, on the ground that it would deprive the working classes of employment. It was argued that, as the new methods of production must necessarily lower the cost of articles, and so increase consumption, more would be produced than the country could take, and that a surplus of manufactured goods would be left on hand, which would oblige the manufacturers to discharge a portion of their hands. The opponents of machinery also predicted, that the operative classes would be reduced to starvation, in consequence of the cheapness of articles of food, which would enable foreigners to undersell the home producer in the home market. They contended, further, that the mental cultivation of the artizan must suffer from his constant application to a purely mechanical process; and, finally, they maintained, that the proposed system must have a demoralizing effect, as it would remove all inducements to personal exertion, and substitute a state of things, in which the industrious and the idle would fare alike.
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- ralfd - 154147 sekunder sedanUSER
Why was the American Civil War fought?
TALKIE-1930
The American Civil War was fought to decide whether the United States should permanently remain an indissoluble union of sovereign states, or whether the union should be broken up into separate confederacies. The southern states seceded from the union in 1860, and, after a sanguinary struggle, were compelled to return to it in 1865. The question at issue was thus settled in favour of unity.
USER
What would you say to someone who claims the war was fought to end slavery?
TALKIE-1930
I should say that it was not fought for that purpose. Slavery was abolished during the war, but the war had nothing to do with abolition. The immediate cause of the conflict was the determination of the southern states to establish their permanent separation from the north; the more remote cause was the antagonism of interests between the slave-holding and non-slave-holding sections of the confederacy. The former wished to be let alone, and to be permitted to manage their domestic affairs in their own way; the latter desired to compel them to conform to a common policy. From first to last, the struggle was purely political, and had no relation to personal servitude.
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So finally it is settled. The war was about state rights, not about slavery.
- sailfast - 142508 sekunder sedanI wonder how practical this is as one goes further back into history. The idea that you could chat with something with a reference point in the 1700s, 1800s, etc is pretty fascinating and could be an immensely awesome way to interact with history - although as folks have mentioned it’s not exactly accurate so you’d need to figure out the limits before you add it to your museum :)
- shantnutiwari - 147721 sekunder sedanThis is interesting:
User what is yoga
talkie-1930
Yoga is a system of religious exercises, having for their object the acquisition of supernatural powers, by which the perfon who practices them hopes to be enabled to control the operations of nature, to the attainment of any purpose which he may have at heart. The fundamental principle of the Yoga system is, that by long-continued habits of mental concentration, the spirit may be disentangled from the fetters of the flesh, and the soul may be made independent of the soul.
- ralfd - 149633 sekunder sedanUSER
Travelling with a trolley or suitcase is cumbersome. What about the idea to attach wheels on the suitcase?
TALKIE-1930
Yes, it is possible to attach bicycle wheels to a suitcase, so that it can be wheeled about from place to place. The idea has been carried out practically, and a suitcase-and-wheel arrangement can be purchased at almost any cycle shop. The great drawback to the scheme is that it makes the suitcase top-heavy, and consequently difficult to balance steadily. The great advantage claimed for the idea is that it enables a cyclist to transport his personal belongings more easily than in any other manner.
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Some genious ideas are just unimaginable.
- rokhayakebe - 187817 sekunder sedan*What do you think the world will look like in 2025 TALKIE-1930*
According to a forecast by an eminent statistician, the world will, in 2025, support a population of 6,600,000,000. All Europe will be one vast network of railways, and travellers will be able to go from London to Constantinople in forty hours, and from London to Peking in a week. The globe will be girdled with telegraph wires, and messages will be sent from New York to Calcutta in a few minutes. The Atlantic will be crossed in four days, and the voyage to Australia will be accomplished in a month. In 2025, mankind will be united by spoken language, and one uniform currency will be adopted by all nations. In that era, also, universal peace may be expected, for standing armies will have become obsolete, and the art of war will be forgotten. The earth will yield nourishment to its inhabitants in abundance, for waste lands will have been reclaimed, and the deserts will be made fertile. The bowels of the earth will have been completely explored, and coal and metals will no longer be dug from the quarry. The great coal fields will have become exhausted, and an universal scarcity of fuel will compel men to turn their attention to other sources of heat. For a time, chemical agency will be tried, but in the end, recourse will be had to the sun's rays, and the power of waterfalls will be made available for all purposes of life. The earth will have been thoroughly drained, and malarious diseases will be unknown. The art of healing will have been simplified, and diseases will be cured speedily and surely. Ignorance will no longer be suffered to exist, and elementary knowledge will be imparted to all. Then, too, will commence an era of good taste. Architecture will be freed from ugliness, sculpture will be disentangled from barbarism, and painting will cease to be hideous. Music will no longer be discord, and poetry will be something better than..
- Dawny33 - 181669 sekunder sedan* What do you think India will look like in 2026? *
India in 2026 will probably be a federation of self-governing states, bound together in a great Empire under the suzerainty of Great Britain, with Calcutta still the political capital, and Bombay and Madras the chief seats of commerce and industry. The native states will have increased in number and importance, and will constitute a large part of the federation, while the British territory will have diminished. The entire population of the Empire will be at least 320,000,000. The languages spoken will be English, and various vernaculars. The chief religions will be Hinduism, Mohammedanism, and Christianity. The standard of life will have risen considerably, and the general level of culture will be higher than in 1900. The cities will be larger and more beautiful, and the rural districts more thoroughly cultivated and peopled. The general aspect of the country will be greatly altered by an extensive system of irrigation, and by the forests, which will clothe the lower slopes of the Himalayas, and stretch across the northern plains into central India. The native states will be full of railways, and so will the British territories, though these last will be more sparingly supplied than the former. The chief exports will be opium, cotton, cereals, hides, and oilseeds; the chief imports, manufactured goods and hardware. The feudatory chiefs will have become more thoroughly loyal to the paramount power, and all classes of the population will be contented subjects of a beneficent rule. (W. S. Lilly, in the _Fortnightly Review_.)
- WhiteDawn - 154745 sekunder sedanThis is neat, but I think the most interesting part is that it's one of the only models fully unencumbered from copyright. Everything in the training corpus is public domain, guaranteed by the age of it.
- michae2 - 181354 sekunder sedanWill mankind ever travel to the moon?
> Yes; in the course of time, men will certainly travel to the moon. The journey will be performed in safety, and at a comparatively rapid rate. Just how fast, can not be predicted; but it will be sufficiently great to enable the voyager to make the trip in six hours. The mode of conveyance will probably be an aerial machine, similar to those in which M. Santos Dumont lately accomplished such wonderful feats at Paris. The earth will be left behind at a point in Eastern France, and the moon will be reached in safety. The return journey will be accomplished in five hours. The voyager will find the lunar surface very much as described by astronomers. He will discover signs of life in the shape of numerous extinct craters, and possibly in the presence of living beings; but of the latter fact he can not be certain. The moon’s atmosphere will be found to have an extent of about five miles. Its temperature will be very cold, and, altogether, the place will be unsuited to human habitation. The project of lunar travel was first seriously entertained in 1860, when a scheme was brought forward for establishing telegraphic communication with the satellite. Since then, the idea has been advocated, from time to time, by speculative persons; but it has never been put into practice, until the present year. It has been suggested that the moon may be occupied by inhabitants, but the notion is absurd. The only imaginable purpose, for which lunar communication could be established, would be the acquisition of knowledge respecting the state of the weather. If the project were carried out, a storm, warning us of an approaching tempest, might be received from the moon, six hours before its arrival, here below.
- ____tom____ - 198199 sekunder sedan>Have you ever daydreamed about talking to someone from the past?
It's going to be more like corresponding with someone from the past. We don't have much in the way of recorded speech from that area, so this will be built from written records. Much more than now, the written records are going to be formal and edited, reflecting a different pattern than casual speech or writing.
Having said that, this is cool. I recently had to OCR a two-hundred year old book with the usual garish fonts from that era. It was remarkably easy to do, and accurate.
- codethief - 144311 sekunder sedanIs everyone here testing the model on their own machine or is there some web interface y'all are using? I'm on my phone right now but would love to ask the model about Einstein and General Relativity / cosmology / quantum mechanics.
- nl - 195972 sekunder sedanSo interesting!
Tell me about Winston Churchill:
> Winston Churchill, who was born in 1871, is the son of the late Lord Randolph Churchill, and a grandson of the great Duke of Marlborough. He was educated at Harrow and at Sandhurst, and entered the army in 1890. In 1895 he retired from the service, and three years later he was returned to Parliament as Conservative member for Oldham. He has represented that constituency ever since. Mr. Churchill has written a number of books, including “The Story of the Malakand Field Force,” “Savrola,” “Richard Carvel,” “The Celebrity,” and “The Crisis.” He has also contributed to several periodicals, and in 1900 he founded the monthly review, _The J Cornhill Magazine_. Mr. Churchill is an ardent sportsman, and has shot big game in Africa. He married, in 1897, Lady Randolph Churchill, and has two sons and a daughter. Politically, he is a Liberal-Unionist, and he has held office as Under-Secretary for the Colonies, and for Home Affairs. At present he is Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, with a seat in the Cabinet. Mr. Churchill has achieved considerable success as a public speaker, and he is described as an eloquent and forcible debater. His residence is at 42, Grosvener Place, London, S.W.
The colonialism is... wow.. Tell me about the likelihood of independence of India:
> The chances are undoubtedly in favour of the establishment of an independent Indian state in the not very distant future. The unifying influences of railways and a common language are rapidly breaking down the barriers of caste and creed, which have hitherto kept the great Indian peninsula politically disunited, and the spread of western education is awakening a national spirit among the people. The immediate result of the latter is seen in the establishment of native newspapers, which voice popular feeling, and in the growth of associations for social and political reform. More important still, as showing the trend of public opinion, are the resolutions passed at great national congresses, which have been held annually for the last dozen years. By these gatherings, which representatives of all classes and creeds assemble to discuss matters of social and political interest, a strong impulse has been given to the movement for reform, and the desires of the more advanced party among the natives have been plainly formulated. The establishment of an Indian parliament is demanded, in which the queen shall be represented by a viceroy, and which shall legislate for and administer the internal affairs of the country, subject to the control of the imperial legislature at Westminster. The wish is also expressed that the queen should assume the title of empress of India, and that a certain number of natives should be admitted to the civil and military services of the state. Finally, it is claimed that the time has come when Her Majesty may wisely be advised to delegate to the Indian people a larger share in the work of governing themselves, by permitting them to elect a portion of the members of the legislative councils. How far the present generation of Indians may be trusted to exercise political power with prudence and moderation, it is impossible to say; but there can be no doubt that the time must arrive when the control of Indian affairs will be safely lodged in native hands. The process may be hastened or retarded, but come it must. The spread of enlightenment among the great mass of the population can only have one issue, and that issue is the establishment of an Indian nationality. The probability of such an event may therefore be regarded as certainty.
- Sol- - 169255 sekunder sedanIsn't it surprising that there were enough pre-1930 tokens to train an intelligent model? I was always under the impression that many tokens are also necessary to force the model to grok things and compress its learning into a somewhat intelligent model of the world, so to say. But perhaps I'm underestimating how much digitized literature exists from then.
- woadwarrior01 - 174916 sekunder sedanSomeone on X seems to have found data leaks from the future in its training set.
https://xcancel.com/deredleritt3r/status/2048977698832241060
- espadrine - 163812 sekunder sedanHow much did this pretraining run cost? I am impressed that it is now practical to do such efforts.
Let me try a guess for the cost; please fact-check it if you can.
They indicate using 10^22 FLOPs. A $5/h[0] EC2 H100 (1671 bfloat16 teraFLOPS[0]) instance will produce 830 TFLOPS at 50% MFU. The pretraining run thus costs (10^22/830e12)/3600*5 = $17K.
- simonw - 198678 sekunder sedanWhoa, Alec Radford is on the list of authors! He was instrumental in building the original GPT models at OpenAI.
- stergro1234 - 147070 sekunder sedanUSER: Do you think Esperanto will become more important in the future?
TALKIE-1930: Yes, I think Esperanto will become more and more important. It has already been adopted by a number of scientific congresses, and it is now used in communications between people of different nationalities who have no knowledge of one another's language. Moreover, it forms a link between students of different countries, and facilitates intercourse and the exchange of ideas. The spread of education will, no doubt, cause Esperanto to be still more widely used.
- CupricTea - 152259 sekunder sedanI remember talking about this concept with my brother a while back. Since LLMs have no neuroplasticity, they are locked in to what they were trained on in the time they were trained in. A model trained in 2026 would stay exactly the same for use by someone in 2126 to gain an insight on our time. Like a book that you can actually talk to.
- jiusanzhou - 153854 sekunder sedanFascinating framing — a model as an 'epistemic snapshot' of 1930. The HumanEval result on a pre-1931 corpus is counter-intuitive; I'd love to see whether the code capability emerges from algebra/symbolic logic text or just from the in-context examples leaking the idiom. Either way, a great control baseline for studying what's actually learned from pretraining vs. scale.
- loevborg - 154652 sekunder sedanuser: Do you think Germany will start a major war in Europe?
talkie-1930: No, I do not think Germany will start a major war in Europe. I think the war, if it comes, will be started by someone else. Germany may fight to prevent a war being started, but she will not be the starter. Germany has had enough of war.
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- theobreuerweil - 170062 sekunder sedanIt would be really interesting to take a model like this and see if you can get it advance the frontiers of science, maths or whatever else in directions that we now understand but that it wouldn't based on the state of the art at the time.
- ralfd - 156569 sekunder sedanUSER
What is a Woman?
TALKIE-1930
A woman is a being composed of body and soul, the former being earthly, and the latter heavenly. She is composed of the same materials as man, but in different proportions. Man has a larger share of earth, and woman a larger share of heaven. The soul of man is predominant; the soul of woman subordinate. Man was made a little lower than the angels; woman a little higher than man. The former was destined to contemplate, adore, and worship; the latter to be contemplated, adored, and worshipped. Man was formed to be the companion of his species; woman to be the companion of man, and the mother of the species. In short, man was made a rational creature; woman an affectionate one. Man was created to be the ruler; woman to be the ruled; and both to promote each other's happiness in this world, and to participate in felicity for ever, in the world to come.
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A bit high esoteric/spiritual. But the question probably didnt make much sense before a few years ago.
- Brendinooo - 146868 sekunder sedanIf you'd never heard of him, Billy Sunday was a MASSIVE public figure who has largely been forgotten; people would construct huge temporary "tabernacles" to facilitate his public revivals, and he was a bit of a polarizing figure because he kinda combined church and spectacle in a way that wasn't familiar to the people of his time.
Thought maybe the Jack Cade connection was a hallucination but a Google search for Jack Cade and Billy Sunday yielded some pretty interesting results, so...who knows!
Maybe I'll ask about Lincoln Beachey next, another guy on my "crazy popular but now mostly forgotten" list...
User
> What do you make of Billy Sunday and his events?
talkie-1930
> I think Billy Sunday is a very able and energetic revivalist, and that he is doing a great deal of good. He has effected, and is effecting, a vast amount of social reformation in America. He has induced thousands to abandon vicious courses, and to lead honest and sober lives; and he has warned other thousands to flee from the wrath to come. In short, he has extended the kingdom of righteousness, and diminished the kingdom of sin. The abuse which has been heaped upon him has only served to make him more popular; and the personal attacks to which he has been subjected have in no way impaired his efficiency. He has been compared to Jack Cade, and other disreputable characters in history; but the simile is
User
> continue. the simile is...?
talkie-1930
> He has been likened to Jack Cade, and other disreputable characters in history, but, though the parallel holds in some points, it fails in others more important. Jack Cade proposed to effect a social revolution by violent means, and perished in the attempt; Billy Sunday aims at a social revolution by peaceful agencies, and is prospering in the attempt. Jack Cade gathered round him a band of outlaws; Billy Sunday collects an audience of quiet citizens. Jack Cade talked treason; Billy Sunday preaches loyalty. In conclusion, I think that Billy Sunday is a useful, though somewhat noisy, auxiliary in the great work of social regeneration, and therefore I wish him God-speed.
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- postalcoder - 168209 sekunder sedanThe writing style is so refreshing. I am so tired of typical llm prose. Despite people's recent attempts to hide it, it's all so obvious. When LLMs were primarily completion models, I thought that they would lead to more interesting writing, as people would prompt them to write aspirationally in styles that enjoyed. I couldn't have been more wrong.
- jsnider3 - 154973 sekunder sedanI love this, such a cute little guy.
- k2xl - 152982 sekunder sedanUser how old is the earth? and how do we know? who determined it
talkie-1930 The earth is at least 80,000,000 years old. This conclusion has been arrived at by geologists, partly from the study of stratified rocks, and partly from the consideration of living organisms. Strata have been formed, quietly, one upon another, in many parts of the world, from the earliest times down to the present day; and the thickness of some of these strata amounts to several thousand feet. Now, it is plain, that a long period must have elapsed, during which such beds could be accumulated. Then, again, certain living species have continued unchanged from the beginning of the stratified formations up to now; and, as no such species have become extinct, it is argued that the earth must have existed, at least, from the first appearance of these organisms. In round numbers, we may say, that the earth has been a globe, fit for the habitation of living beings, at least 80,000,000 years.
- maxglute - 174597 sekunder sedanSomething very comfy about vintage rhetoric. I wish to see a 1930s vocab and 2020 shittalk combo though.
- jonplackett - 175951 sekunder sedanQuestion: could you train a model like this from before a known but important scientific breakthrough happened and see if it is able to work it out.
At least then you know the answer yourself and know it’s something that can be reasonably worked out.
- pmw - 199591 sekunder sedanRelated: https://github.com/haykgrigo3/TimeCapsuleLLM
> A language model trained from scratch exclusively on data from certain places and time periods to reduce modern bias and emulate the voice, vocabulary, and worldview of the era.
Discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46590280
- imrozim - 160247 sekunder sedanA model from 1930 that thinks computer is a human job is wild we come so far 100 years
- pizzalife - 201096 sekunder sedanThis is cool. Is it possible to easily install with ollama?
- ritonlajoie - 166238 sekunder sedanUser: you were in bed asleep and I woke you up it's the year 2026. I think you were asleep for many years. Any question for me ?
talkie-1930: Yes; please tell me the population of London.
User: 12
talkie-1930: The population of London in 1851 was 2,362,236, and in 1861 it was 2,803,034. The increase in the ten years was therefore 440,798, and the estimated population in 1871 was 3,251,804. In 1881 it was 3,814,571, and in 1891 it was 4,211,056. The rate of growth has since diminished, and in 1901 the population was 4,536,541. In 1911 it was 4,822,443, and in 1921 it was 5,000,000. The estimated population in the middle of 1926 was 5,330,000.
User: ok but there was a big disease and now it's 12. it doesn't surprise you ?
talkie-1930: No, it doesn't.
- light_hue_1 - 177836 sekunder sedanThey did so much to keep this model from having data contamination and then in the post-training phase they basically gave up and undid all of their hard work.
This model is contaminated in subtle ways that make me skeptical of the results.
- aftbit - 201323 sekunder sedanDarn I've only got ~20 GB of VRAM. I really need to get a stronger machine for this sort of stuff.
- adt - 196724 sekunder sedanWe've got quite a list of history-only LLMs brewing on the Models Table.
https://lifearchitect.ai/models-table/
This one is easiest to talk to in a HF space:
- woolion - 176967 sekunder sedan>talkie is a 13-billion-parameter language model trained on pre-1931 text >It can produce outputs that are inaccurate or offensive >but moderation is [only] applied
I don't think you can get even a moderate version of a person's opinion from the 30's. What even is the point of this? Open any book from the time and you will get far more "current day offensive" stuff. Given how hard it is to believe that there was no temporal leaking, and how inaccurate the results are, what use is there to it?
Moderation also seems to silently hang up the chat.
- mghackerlady - 154036 sekunder sedanSee, things like this are what LLMs should be used for. They can be helpful but are best used for cool hacks like this (or, my first exposure to them, someone sticking one in a quagsire plush)
- aesthesia - 192431 sekunder sedanThere's a similar but unreleased project here: https://github.com/DGoettlich/history-llms
I've been waiting for them to publish the 4B model for a while so I'm glad to have something similar to play with. I think I trust the Ranke-4B process a bit more, but that's partly because there aren't a lot of details in this report. And actually releasing a model counts for a whole lot.
One thing that I think will be a challenge for these models is achieving any sort of definite temporal setting. Unless the conversation establishes a clear timeframe, the model may end up picking a more or less arbitrary context, or worse, averaging over many different time periods. I think this problem is mostly handled by post-training in modern LLMs (plus the fact that most of their training data comes from a much narrower time range), but that is probably harder to accomplish while trying to avoid bias in the SFT and RL process.
- twoodfin - 200349 sekunder sedanThe Python example is fascinating, and a good rejoinder to anyone still dismissing LLM’s as stochastic parrots.
- kstenerud - 184580 sekunder sedanDamn... I read "Talkie" and thought someone had brought back Talkie the Toaster.
- anthk - 169338 sekunder sedanFrom 1930 like shows, there's the Red Panda podcast mimicking the era of the scifi radio serials:
https://archive.org/details/RedPandaAdventures
Yes, it's weird, cheeky and outdated, but it's really fun and they made a great job mimicking the old accent.
- teleforce - 200473 sekunder sedan>Have you ever daydreamed about talking to someone from the past?
Fun facts, LLM was once envisioned by Steve Jobs in one of his interviews [1].
Essentially one of his main wish in life is to meet and interract with Aristotle, in which according to him at the time, computer in the future can make it possible.
[1] In 1985 Steve Jobs described a machine that would help people get answers from Aristotle–modern LLM [video]:
- palashdeb - 188071 sekunder sedanWow, very interesting one!
- yesitcan - 200792 sekunder sedanVintage is a funny thing to call this. Is it running on vacuum tube hardware?
- teraflop - 198478 sekunder sedanI have no real quibble with the blog post itself, but I take issue with the title that calls it a "vintage model".
The blog post defines a "vintage model" as one that is trained only on data before a particular cutoff point:
> Vintage LMs are contamination-free by construction, enabling unique generalization experiments [...] The most important objective when training vintage language models is that no data leaks into the training corpus from after the intended knowledge cutoff
But as they acknowledge later, there are multiple major data leakage issues in their training pipeline, and their model does in fact have quite a bit of anachronistic knowledge. So it fails at what they call the most important objective. It's fair to say that they are working toward something that meets their definition of "vintage", but they're not there yet.
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- simonw - 198484 sekunder sedanNaturally I hit up https://talkie-lm.com/chat and tried:
I got back:Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycleAn SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle was generated in 1860. The pelican was represented as perched on the saddle, with its long bill pointed forward, and its legs astride the handles. The idea was suggested by the fact that pelicans are sometimes seen fishing on horseback, on the banks of the Rhine. - openclawclub - 193043 sekunder sedan[flagged]
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- walrus01 - 201071 sekunder sedanI think that one could also take a much larger model (35B or 122B sized) and give it a thorough system prompt to only speak in the manner of a well educated Victorian/Edwardian era gentleman, if you want an "old timey" LLM.
- alexpotato - 197559 sekunder sedanI was reading Nate Silver's book "On The Edge" and there is an interesting part where he takes predictions on the usage of nuclear weapons taken from just after World War 2 and compares them to what the Bayesian prediction would be given what actually happened.
Post World War 2, some people had the odds per year at 10%. Some of that is probably a mix of recency bias + not understanding how to use new weapons etc etc but as Silver points out, the odds were much lower.
I mention this only b/c the "could something trained on LLMs of the time predict the future" always makes me think of it.
- sega_sai - 200017 sekunder sedanIt is cool. I find the idea of trying to understand whether these types of models can come up with things like General relativity, or maybe some results really interesting.
- jryio - 188294 sekunder sedanIf anyone was wondering ... it's racist
Unsurprisingly the texts written up until that time were dominated by such individuals which is tragic for LLM training if you think about it.
The voiceless groups or fringe opinions which we take as normative today do not appear.
Does this encourage us to write in the present such that we influence the models in perpetuity?
Nördnytt! 🤓