Nördnytt! 🤓MacBook Neo Deep Dive: Benchmarks, Wafer Economics, and the 8GB Gamble
- beloch - 6240 sekunder sedan>"~1.5-2GB of available application memory (after macOS overhead)."
Having an OS eat up >75% of your memory on a fresh boot is not ideal. You're gambling on macOS experiencing zero bloat for the lifetime of this product. If the OS memory footprint grows even just a few percent, users of this model will lose a significant portion of available memory for applications.
This model might trigger planned obsolescence legislation in some jurisdictions.
- darkteflon - 52837 sekunder sedanI bought an 8gb M1 Air in 2020 (for what now feels like an absurdly small sum of money) as an experiment in how-cheap-is-too-cheap / chuckable travel laptop. I ended up using it as my main laptop for 2 years without regret, then handed it to my son for school.
It remains in perfect condition and as delightful to use as the day I bought it (Apple software snafus notwithstanding). I fully expect to get at least 10 years use out of it. Honestly, I feel like it could probably carry him all the way through school - but I’d be embarrassed to say that out loud since that’s another 9 years.
- wlesieutre - 52935 sekunder sedan> The I/O is also a genuine limitation: one USB 2.0 port is functionally useless for data transfer, no Thunderbolt means no fast external storage, and charging occupies your only USB 3 port.
You're supposed to use the USB-2 port for charging and save the USB-3 port for external accessories, not the other way around
It only supports 10Gb/s compared to 40 that USB-4 is theoretically capable of, but that's more than enough for anyone in the $600 laptop market.
- xelaboi - 6717 sekunder sedanThe author clearly had some involvement in the article, I wish they could have written it themselves. It reads like they gave Claude some benchmark data and got it to write the rest of the article.
- fooker - 2559 sekunder sedanIt’s 8GB because they want to sell you a 16GB model for the same price when the dram crisis is over.
That way the marketing can be: double the memory for the same price. Apple has done this again and again, the more time people are spending talking about one single deficiency in your product, the less time they are spending on any other product. Then you solve than single issue in the next cycle.
- quietthrow - 21732 sekunder sedanApple makes unbelievably good hardware and software that just lasts and just works. Until it’s 7 years old. After that you essentially have to chuck it as you don’t get any updates from Apple and slowly you descend into incompatibility unless you world exists in browser.
I wish once you bought an Apple computer it was truly yours for as long as you wanted it instead of it being dictated by Apple.
Still Great computers though.
- zeroq - 683 sekunder sedankeep in mind that installing thermal pad will void warranty.
Source: apple store staff
- havaloc - 57521 sekunder sedanI bought a Neo as an out of the house computer and it really is a triumph. If the Air is good enough for 99% of the population, the Neo as is approaches good enough for 90% of the population at half the cost.
- headcanon - 56705 sekunder sedanMy wife bought a Neo and has been very happy with it. I was wary of the 8gb memory limit but she is running claude code doing web development with a reasonable number of tabs open and no noticeable lag, so I'd say its definitely getting a lot of mileage out of it.
It honestly seems good enough that it might cannibalize Macbook Air sales.
- wvh - 3581 sekunder sedanI've never owned anything from Apple, but this model has me interested in having something that can run commercial software (I'm a long-time Linux user). But I really think 8GB is going to be a major limit for running a DAW or anything related to live music production.
I understand these are the limitations of this option, but can you really do more than just run a simple word editor? Even my Firefox session here uses over 16GB of RAM.
- nicoburns - 56841 sekunder sedanThe Neo is pretty great, and the compromises are totally reasonable at the price point. But if they do a second generation with A19 Pro (and thus 12GB RAM) and a slightly better cooling system then it would really be fantastic.
- habosa - 42875 sekunder sedanMacbook Neo is amazing, so impressed what Apple can deliver for so little.
That said, my sister this morning asked if she should buy a Macbook Neo. I pointed her to a refurb M2 Macbook Air with 16GB of RAM for the same price. I feel like that's the right call? Slower single-core performance but better multi-core and I think for 90% of normal people use cases the RAM is the limit before the CPU.
Are others making the same calculation?
- jorisw - 21381 sekunder sedan> There’s also a silver lining to the tight memory envelope: Apple has to keep macOS running well within 8GB, which is actually a nice forcing function against bloat and inefficiency. We could all use a little more of that.
Love this
- nottorp - 4332 sekunder sedanHmm besides the 8 Gb being there mostly for market segmentation...
Does this mean the Neo/Air aren't useful for lightweight gaming at all? Lightweight as in indie-ish games, not as in session length.
- kristianp - 36851 sekunder sedanI wish the author had toned down the chatgpt style of the writing. e.g. headers that say "What You’re Getting for $599". Another example: "Read those numbers again. The same chip that posts 3,569 single-core when cold delivers 476 after five minutes of sustained load. That is an 87% reduction in single-core performance on the same hardware, running the same benchmark, separated by nothing but heat."
- Keyframe - 21323 sekunder sedanI understand the premise and it might be cool, but it does feel weird when your 6 year old playstation has more RAM than your laptop. Heck, even Nintendo Switch 2 has more RAM.
- Fannon - 24870 sekunder sedanWhile I got me a 16GB Macbook Air, I appreciate that Apple continues to make 8GB devices. This indicates for me also a commitment for not bloating up the OS (like Windows did) too much and caring about memory efficiency.
- briandw - 56876 sekunder sedanWe just bought the Neo for our daughter to use at school. My biggest concern was the trackpad. This is the first MacBook to not use a force touch trackpad since they were introduced. I must say that the new trackpad is really good. It's not quite as good as the force touch one in my MacBook Pro, but it's close. We will see how well the Neo holds up over time, but it's off to a good start.
- revengerwizard - 12193 sekunder sedanWas it really necessary to cut out Magsafe?
I feel like I end up stumbling on the charging cable at least one or two times. Plus, I wouldn't be able to re-use the old Macbook charger I have :(
- RubberShoes - 56384 sekunder sedanI still have AnandTech in a prime spot on my bookmarks toolbar. I miss the site so much and welcome any reviews like this that attempt to capture their level of detail when reviewing a product.
- roody15 - 5542 sekunder sedanOne good thing about the 8gig Neo means that I think Apple will at least work to support M1 8gig for a few more years!!
- caycep - 54282 sekunder sedanit also looks really nice. at the Apple Store, the chassis seems well machined. the "cheaper" apple logo insert also clearly also incurred some expense as it fit into the lid perfectly. Hinge, keyboard and trackpad felt good. Design team clearly took time to telegraph craft and quality in their product.
- phyzix5761 - 5496 sekunder sedanI'll be impressed when Apple can make a charger that can stay in the wall.
- lynguist - 17256 sekunder sedanSeriously what is this ugly engagement optimized LLM slop of an article doing here yet again on the HN front page?
I love the Neo as much as any other enthusiast, so yes, the subject matter is subjectively “cool”.
But this “article” is indigestible. Not only it regurgitates the same thing over and over (and it has links to other articles on the same page where they already did the same), on top of that the writing style, content, intentionality does not exist in the slightest. I feel like having been offered chocolate, but having received artificial cocoa flavored petrochemicals.
- pantulis - 12997 sekunder sedanLove how the post begins praising Anandtech, then proceeds to write the rest of the content as if it was written by Anand himself. Great nod!
- adastra22 - 43974 sekunder sedan> If Apple had branded the A18 Pro as “M4 Lite,” nobody would have blinked.
Apple fumbled the ball here. They should have called it the "M4 Mini", and this device the "MacBook mini".
Also, OP: Have you considered doing this professionally? I'd read this as the next AnandTech.
- Havoc - 47561 sekunder sedanRecently dived into mac world (air) too after decades of win/linux.
Pleasant experience and very impressed by hardware and polish except wow the keyboard/shortcut situation is absolutely cursed. Not different...actually cursed.
Who decided that sometimes its cmd+Q to close a window while other times its cmd+W and some apps support both but with different behaviours and knowing which of the three it is depends on knowing what's an OS window (but not all OS windows)? Or why is taking a screenshot of an area to clip it a FOUR key combo with one of them being a random number (the key 4). I can definitely memorize it and get used to it, but were the designers high as a kite when it was shortcut design day?
- tobyhinloopen - 13588 sekunder sedanThis article feels written by Claude
- trollied - 56677 sekunder sedanThe “8gb gamble” could be seen as a misleading headline.
The review is very fair - it’s an amazing bit of kit for the money.
- isaisabella - 21324 sekunder sedanI take Max Neo as a toy computer. Maybe a good choice for those non-tech users, cuz it's enough for they daily use: writing docs, watching videos, etc. A good marketing product.
- armanj - 56678 sekunder sedanfor vibe coding stuff, especially when you're outside touching grass, I believe MacBook Neo is perfect. it fills the gap between the phone remote control (which is too painful for chatting with ai cli) and, well, not having any dev device.
- khernandezrt - 55287 sekunder sedanId pay an extra $150 for the haptic trackpad tbh
- orliesaurus - 53717 sekunder sedanWhat if you cool the chassis really really well??? Does throttling go away?
- conception - 51582 sekunder sedanI think the only gap I’ve come across is that trying to drive two monitors through a display link dock it doesn’t really have the GPU to not have that be laggy.
- sbinnee - 48889 sekunder sedan12gb bump soon? I don’t see that happening. It’s Apple.
- notfried - 55820 sekunder sedanWhy is the author considering Claude Code a "real developer workflow"? Unless you're doing complex tool calling, is CC really resource-heavy?
- karmakaze - 49543 sekunder sedan> Apple has to keep macOS running well within 8GB, which is actually a nice forcing function against bloat and inefficiency. We could all use a little more of that.
Hmm, I have a very different understanding of how Apple uses forcing functions. Prematurely slowing iPhones with older batteries regardless of charge level as a forcing function to upgrade is what I take away. When the 12GB Neo's are out, I expect another bit of bloat in Liquid Glass or other to motivate the upgrade.
- karel-3d - 8940 sekunder sedanI wanted to ask "hm is 8GB that bad for coding? I don't use that much anyway" and now I look at my Activity Monitor and I somehow use 22GB, I don't know why.
Why is Rust Analyzer running and taking 2GB? I don't even write in Rust. Each Electron app takes 300-400MB and for some reason Ghostty takes 400 MB... ok I take it back, I couldn't use 8GB.
- guideamigo - 53305 sekunder sedanThis might win big in emerging markets where there is a desire for a high-quality laptop for non-programmers.
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- fragmede - 56720 sekunder sedanThe question thus, is how does the Neo perform if I put it on top of an ice pack?
- interludead - 24495 sekunder sedanThe most interesting part of this is the 8GB RAM decision. Soldered 8GB in 2026 is the sort of compromise that looks fine on day one and painful in year three
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- lifestyleguru - 54692 sekunder sedanI already have half dozen over decade old laptops with 4-8GB of RAM in the drawer, don't need any more.
- justin66 - 53454 sekunder sedan> Yes, 8GB of RAM is a real limitation. But give it a year and the next version will almost certainly ship with 12GB and a modest CPU bump.
We'll be able to have six browser tabs open instead of four?