US employers spend more than $1.5B a year to fight labor unions, report finds
- aliasxneo - 2417 sekunder sedanI have pretty mixed feelings on unions. I spent most of my early career as a non-union blue collar worker embedded into mixed teams (union + non-union members). The general experience I walked away with was that unions seemed to attract the worst employees. I remember one individual in particular who, having worked with him for two years, never once actually did any work. He was actually one of my first mentors and I vividly recall riding in the truck with him as he explained "the game" to me about how to make good money while basically doing no work, and how it was "unfortunate" I couldn't play because I was "working for the man."
This might not seem so annoying, but in the Bay Area where I worked, the unions had lobbied to secure work that could _only_ be done by union members. For example, I was a controls technician, and I legally couldn't wire a 12v controller because it was considered protected work. Which means I had to try to convince the same people who were not incentivized to be productive to help me.
So yeah, after a few years of that, I left with a pretty sour taste in my mouth. That being said, philosophically I like the idea of unions. I've had my own share of experiences being abused by "the man." The retirement plans offered in particular were always alluring. But, despite being invited to join, I never felt compelled because I just couldn't find myself enjoying working with the people they attracted.
- tptacek - 266 sekunder sedanThe word "fight" is doing way too much work in this Guardian headline, because that money includes labor relations work employers do to try to stave off the incentives to start unions. You can feel any way you like about it, but logically if you're going to argue that you have to argue that every dollar above median a non-unionized shop pays is also an effort to fight unions.
- briandw - 3225 sekunder sedanThis is an adversarial process. Unions exist to fight employers. Unions spend about 23 billion a year in total. Only spending 1.5B to defend against 23B looks like a bargain.
- superxpro12 - 3675 sekunder sedanBecause its ultimately cheaper to suppress unions than it is to pay the workers the fair salary.
- bhoops - 2816 sekunder sedanNot sure if that is a bad thing - labor unions can have too much power. Its not as if the employers agree to everything that they will go away.
- crims0n - 3378 sekunder sedanConsidering the annual revenue of Fortune 500 companies is near 20 Trillion, that is a much smaller amount than expected.
- bonsai_spool - 1565 sekunder sedanThink about the recent tech layoffs - we spend a lot of time comparing one set of severance concessions to another. Wouldn't it be better if this were a matter of contract instead of your great corporate overlords deciding how much they deign to give you as they take away your job?
This may be the moment to start thinking about unions seriously in tech. The large employers have, themselves, acted to suppress worker power in the past: https://journals.law.unc.edu/ncjolt/blogs/wage-fixing-scheme...
- kingjimmy - 1149 sekunder sedan1.5B seems kinda low, no?
- booleandilemma - 566 sekunder sedanWow, what are they so afraid of? Treating people with dignity?
- miltonlost - 4096 sekunder sedanThey're just spending all they money they saved from the wage theft.
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