EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors

The global push to kill privacy makes me sad.

Feels like I grew up in a golden age and subsequent generations won't care because they never knew a different world

This is going to further increase anti-EU sentiment. This is unacceptable behaviour, but no politician is ever going to experience any negative consequences over this because they're so very far removed from the democratic process.

First, why does the EU leadership refuse to learn from falling behind the US economically and technologically, most starkly with AI recently, and their failures in regulating the Internet, most annoyingly the cookie law? And why aren't you, the EU citizen, more annoyed by it? I see a lot of pro-EU content on this site when they're terrible on both tech and entrepreneurship.

Second, what's up with Denmmark pushing for it here? They're usually very reasonable.

They just can't let it go.

Is it democracy if they keep pushing agendas even if they are voted down?

Instead of the usual knee-jerk it would be nice to see some level-header analysis on mechanics of these things - who pays for the time of the people that decide to push this particular piece of legislation, how they manage to get into the door, who personally makes the proposal, how they gather support for it.

Related recent discussion:

>European Commission's Metsola Overrides MEPs to Force Through Chat Control

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48657675 (45 comments)

Just 4 countries are against: Czech Republic, Italy, Netherlands, and Poland.

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

I am getting somewhat confused about this. That website seems to be equating (semi-?)-reasonable measures with monstrosities such as banning or effectively banning e2ee.

Might make sense to message the MEP's that oppose chat control moreso the ones that support it. Maybe they can use some of their internal influence to sway some people. I'm pessimistic about the amount of weight these representatives are giving to emails from citizens

We see here how lobbyists undermine democracies.

Amazing how the EU commission does so unashamedly. It's basically the copy/paste system of the USA here. Big money wants laws. They have no shame in buying these laws.

Related:

European Commission's Metsola Overrides MEPs to Force Through Chat Control

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48657675

This is so wrong, but here’s another reason: a centralized totalitarian approach could look like a very pragmatic way to exercise control and governance on the population. This is true though only if your technical capabilities are at a similar or higher level of your competitors.

In the European case we have neither the technology advancement of the US, or the supply chain control of China.

This means that a centralized approach is only going to create a larger vulnerability surface for an external attacker.

A decentralized, privacy and security first approach isn’t only right for moral/ethical reasons. It’s the only way we have to defend ourselves, even if we had a fascist government.

So are they going to ban encrypted email? I am rather sure i could cobble together a chat UI whose backend was just email protocol. It would be needlessly complex, but all that ISPs would see is yet more encrypted email going back and forth.

why have we not heard more of a pushback from business and legal entities regarding privileged communication / protection of trade secrets?

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What's to point of all this? Everyone will use Signal or some other E2E encrypted messenger, this is just bone tossing. Useless politicans spending time on useless things.