Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded
- ksec - 24253 sekunder sedanThis is still an ARM C1-Ultra. Same one used in Mediatek dimensity 9500, which also got more than 4000 points in GB6 lab test. But actual results inside phone with smartphone cooling and wattage requirement became close to 3300.
But perhaps the most important thing, Xiaomi is now able to make chip similar to Mediatek. They are the third largest Smartphone manufacturer by shipment volume. And they are still growing.
This is bad news for Mediatek and Qualcomm.
- pranav_tech26 - 122 sekunder sedanImpressive silicon progress, but real-world developer experience will hinge on sustained thermal throttling, Linux kernel support, and tooling ecosystem stability.
- strictnein - 23405 sekunder sedanMissing the most important metric: processing power per watt.
I have some server CPUs laying around that can also beat Apple CPUs. But putting them in a compact, densely packed, sealed box (aka a phone) would result in a fireball and almost no battery life.
- ChuckMcM - 479 sekunder sedanIt is pretty amazing the creativity with compute architecture which is afforded by a zillion transistors.
- nerdsniper - 25344 sekunder sedanM5 (iPad) AnTuTu: 3.5 million
XRing O3 AnTuTu: 5.5 million
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M5 iPad Geekbench Single-Core: 3,556
M5 Max Geekbench Single-Core: 4,300
XRing O3 Geekbench Single-Core: 3,945
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M5 iPad Geekbench Multi-Core: 15,285
M5 Max Geekbench Multi-Core: 29,200
XRing O3 Geekbench Multi-Core: 15,221
- LPisGood - 19771 sekunder sedanSuspiciously ignored is power consumption. That’s the biggest and most useful metric often ignored because it’s less flashy than speed.
- trvz - 23782 sekunder sedan"matches" could've also been written as "this year's product falls short of the competitor's last year one".
And multithreaded is 10 cores vs 6 cores.
I appreciate Apple being kept on their feet, but they're not dethroned yet.
- comboy - 23131 sekunder sedanThis is nothing. China is about to start doing their own 5nm. When they roll out their own silicon at scale, I don't think there's catching up, nobody can match their manufacturing capabilities. Not even close.
- otterley - 25382 sekunder sedanI'm curious as to the performance per watt. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
- Alien1Being - 22487 sekunder sedanXiaomi also make amazing cars.
"WSJ
I Test Drove a Chinese EV. Now I Don't Want to Buy American Cars Anymore.
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- throwaw12 - 23466 sekunder sedanI love this, really, competition on a global scale is good for us, bad for greedy US corporations.
For example, I consider Meta as bigger threat to society, than Xiaomi, DeepSeek, z.ai and other top Chinese companies (haven't used Chinese social media, so can't comment about its content)
- tambourine_man - 21185 sekunder sedan“…of course, Apple may soon announce their next processor”
I’m pretty sure they will, as they have, like clockwork, in the same month, for over a decade.
- angry_octet - 4279 sekunder sedanAnyone can make a fast CPU, but is it also a safe and secure CPU? Or does it have architectural defects as a consequence of the race to be fast?
See eg LoongLeak and the Loongson processor: https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity26/presentat...
- simjnd - 15325 sekunder sedanThe GPU performance is insane too, approaches M5 results at ~20W.
Of course it will be in Android phones so it will be throttle hard past 4W and will have terrible drivers.
I wish phones moved to HPB packaging and active cooling so we could have sustained 10W and use them as light workstations.
- tpurves - 1577 sekunder sedanWhere is this being fabbed TSMC? How advanced a process node CPU maker has access to is usually all you need to predict relative performance.
(as long as you take similar assumptions in die size, advanced packaging and power envelope).
- cherioo - 11180 sekunder sedanGeekerwan's review is up, with caveat that this is the prototype board, not even packaged into a phone yet, but still shows some amazing results in spec 2026, 3dmark (gpu), perf-per-watt for single core and multi-core https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCCJuOopLK8 (you can turn on YouTube auto-dub)
- dfedbeef - 23967 sekunder sedanYay free markets China makes a fast chip Yay national security
- waazy - 23350 sekunder sedan44mb of cache really highlights the bottleneck of how raw compute is cheap, but the real limit is memory latency.
- ezekiel68 - 8029 sekunder sedan"Let's isolate China's semiconductor industry," they said.
"This will all turn out well," they said.
- maxglute - 13078 sekunder sedanPRC going to get have surplus of semi talent and equipment in a few years that food delivery companies Meituan probably going to starting making chips like they do LLMs. Only 60% joking.
- nazgulsenpai - 20118 sekunder sedanI think it's great that the Chinese are catching up and can compete directly with the incumbents. The GPU space I find really exciting with several new IPs out there that aren't quite ready for primetime, but still fascinating.
Also, here's to hoping we get some relatively competitive Chinese DRAM flooding the consumer market someday soon.
- kjeldsendk - 4717 sekunder sedanAs usual with claims from China based companies. It's pure lies until we have an independent test with free access.
Two rather rare words in China
- micromacrofoot - 2049 sekunder sedanGood, get this qualcomm garbage out of here
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- yaro330 - 22389 sekunder sedanHow is this news worthy? The cores are off the shelf C1-Ultra. Even Google got them in the new pixel.
- bar000n - 18464 sekunder sedanXiaomi still need to improve their UX and also match the UI to western culture, in spite of now being a global "tech giant" they still want to convince everyone else to be Chinese?
- bee_rider - 19298 sekunder sedanApple is the least interesting company to compare against. They are in their own MacOS/iOS software ecosystem, which you want if you want and you don’t if you don’t. Not to be dismissive of either side of that, there are legit reasons to stay in or out of Apple’s ecosystem. But benchmarking points is not a reason anyone would switch operating systems, right?
What OS will these chips run and what is the competition on that platform? He makes a lot of comparisons to AMD and Intel in the post, why not benchmark against them?
- bip-bop-robot - 24772 sekunder sedanRIP Mediatek, RIP Qualcomm
- StrLght - 22167 sekunder sedanWould be nice to see some independent numbers and benchmarks. Apparently, Xiaomi announced this SoC today, so there's no 3rd party data about it.
- hn_submit - 24232 sekunder sedanYeah but they can't use TSMC to make it so they'll have to make due with older or more expensive lithography processes.
That probably explains why there's so few of these CPUs around: the yields of the domestic Chinese lithography processes (non-EUV) are awful.
- celsoazevedo - 24242 sekunder sedanNice. Let's see if they perform well in the real world.
- AM1010101 - 22113 sekunder sedanInteresting how quickly they seem to have caught up.
- calf - 16127 sekunder sedanIf Moore's law is truly ending as is generally believed, then it seems logically inevitable that the entire industry will flatten out and equalize. Or, I am oversimplifying something.
- romanovcode - 21314 sekunder sedanGood. Competition is great for consumers.
- bizstrategy10 - 11846 sekunder sedanI think constraint creates the best innovation, the US is shooting itself in the foot by forcing China to innovate.
- ErrorNoBrain - 13095 sekunder sedanok but power consumption??
- ilyassanida - 14001 sekunder sedancan't wait to see Xiaomi enter the GPUs market and beats Nvidia
- aaroninsf - 16112 sekunder sedanThank you OP for using xcancel.
- Preston67 - 15725 sekunder sedanI think describing what's happening "other countries seem to sit on their hands and happily outsource every bit of manufacturing to a single country" is disingenuous. It's been dubbed China Shock 2.0 and it's being taken very seriously by the EU. The US admin is a joke and too busy shooting itself in both feet to have coherent policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Shock_2.0
- dmitrygr - 17308 sekunder sedanNo mention I can see of power consumption multiple compared to apple's chips at matching perf. My guess is 2x-5x
- khalic - 25604 sekunder sedanLPDDR6... that's not enough for speedy inference
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- cute_boi - 22175 sekunder sedanUS Government - China is a security risk & they will steal our data. We should ban xiaomi for national security risk. We found the phone collecting telemetry..... just like google and apple.
- thefourthchime - 25058 sekunder sedanThis smells somewhat legitimate and somewhat BS. The architecture itself looks impressive — TSMC 3nm, a 4+ GHz prime core, tons of cache, and a very wide execution engine. And the claimed Geekbench numbers — around *3,945 single-core and 15,221 multi-core* — are especially impressive, if not a little suspicious.
But it’s sorta like, let’s throw everything against the wall and get the biggest number we can. Do they show sustained performance over ten minutes? What’s the power draw when it’s doing 15K? What happens when you put it in an actual phone?
This was done in a cold room. It seems more like a proof of concept for what they could do than something that could actually ship in a phone and sustain those numbers.
- ur-whale - 22995 sekunder sedan2020's US geopolitical doctrine:
1) Pick a historically extremely innovative and disciplined culture which also happens to have massive human capital
2) Please arbitrary artificial ill-thought-out economic constraints on them
3) wait a while
4) get a bunch of magnificent spanking in return (AI, chips, etc...)
- jeffbee - 24480 sekunder sedanIs raw perf considered Apple's moat? I think it's their software. I would buy a MacOS laptop even if the performance is ghastly ... in fact, I did: the MacBook Neo.
- brcmthrowaway - 25292 sekunder sedanInsane if true. Does Xiaomi sell laptops?
- gigatexal - 17491 sekunder sedangood. competition is good. we, the consumers, win.
the a20pro and what not will match or beat it and the cycle will continue.
if this chip turns into a decent desktop chip then arm linux laptops might be very nice.
- malkosta - 18132 sekunder sedanGreat, now they can put much more Ads in my notes app...
- gok - 23474 sekunder sedan"Arm-designed CPU core matches Apple-designed CPU core from a year ago"
- fishfasell - 25797 sekunder sedanI can feel the scores of messages being sent to the federal government from lobbyists saying what a threat Chinese hardware is to national security.
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- formvoltron - 14670 sekunder sedanIs AI helping to improve chip design?
- pmkary - 24330 sekunder sedanSad thing is that it'll still be running the damn Android and so JVM not C or Swift on the machine.
- ajaimk - 24486 sekunder sedanApple's *Last Year* CPUs. We're literally about to get a new chip in 2-3 weeks from them.
- Lagoon3384_SWE - 19771 sekunder sedanThis site is just crazy pro-china now. Guess that happens when non-westerners dominate online, sadly.
- kikimora - 13089 sekunder sedanIt is the same Xiaomi which announced 300 000 SU7 vehicles sold in a day and 6 months later reported they are struggling to hit their sales targets? Just don’t believe anything a Chinese company say, divide it by at least 2. I have nothing against China, this is a cultural thing which you should be aware reading anything coming from the country.
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