Nördnytt! 🤓Cherenkov Radiation - traveling faster than light
- nuccy - 4619 sekunder sedanThe title (likely intentionally) is misleading, it should say "travelling faster than light in a medium". Nothing here travels faster than light in vacuum.
BTW there are special types of telescopes used to observe gamma rays - they cannot see gamma ray directly but observe a flash of Cherenkov light of a cascade of charged particles created when gamma ray hits atoms in the atmosphere. Those telescopes are Imaging Atmospheric Cherenkov Telescopes [1].
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAGIC_(telescope) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VERITAS or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Energy_Stereoscopic_Syste... or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_Telescope_Array_Obse...
- bit_rot73 - 107 sekunder sedanLight still propagates at c inside a medium; the apparent slowdown is just phase kickback from re-emission.
- prathje - 3622 sekunder sedanIt took me a long time to develop an intuition for light and electromagnetic wave propagation, and I’m still working on it.
Fundamentally, changes in the EM field propagate always with the speed of light in a vacuum, i.e., c (also known as the speed of causality). Single EM waves propagate with exactly this speed and they do not magically slow down in a medium... they propagate happily at speed c! (FYI EM waves are more complicated like this and involve electric and magnetic fields evolving together).
But since EM radiation interacts with matter and this interaction itself changes the EM field again it results in more EM waves that propagate also at c. Hence, they propagate together and the net result be constructive or deconstructive as well as anything in between. If they have different frequencies, they can also create "interference" patterns or pulse envelopes that seem to propagate slower and even faster than c.
No doubt that the causes and effects are not easy to understand but always thinking in terms of changes in the EM field ALWAYS propagating at c helped me.
- maxnoe - 1032 sekunder sedanThe article has a section about what it can be used for, but only mentions the uses of the IAEA.
Of course I am biased because I work in the field, but the by far most wide reaching application of Cherenkov radiation is in the detection of high energy particles, particularly in astrophysics.
- Imaging Atmospheric Cherenkov telescopes detect the Cherenkov radiation emmited in the atmosphere when a high energy cosmic ray or gamma ray creates an air shower - Water Cherenkov Detectors detect Cherenkov light when the secondary particles of these air showers reach water tanks on the ground - Neutrino telescopes like kamiokande, Icecube and km3net detect Cherenkov radiation in water or ice produced by secondary particles produced by the rare interactions of Neutrinos in their detector volumes
Modern, high energy astrophysics is all about detecting different kinds of Cherenkov radiation and the reconstructing the original particle properties.
- chinathrow - 4282 sekunder sedan> How can something travel faster than light?
> Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum. However, in other mediums, particles can potentially move faster than light. For instance, while in water, light would instantly slow down to 75% of its normal speed, but there are other particles that don’t slow down as much and end up moving faster than light. Whenever that happens, a blue or violet glow occurs.
After reading this answer, I was not any wiser.
- baxtr - 4753 sekunder sedanIn water!
"In water" is the "In mice" equivalent for physics.
- fbn79 - 3559 sekunder sedanTo be precise, what we call the “speed of light” is the limiting speed at which information and causal effects can propagate through spacetime. In vacuum, it coincides with the propagation speed of photons, i.e. of light. In other media or under certain conditions, however, light can propagate at a speed lower than , without changing the fundamental limit imposed by relativity. So "speed of light" used to denote is a bit misleading
- margorczynski - 1684 sekunder sedanI think a problem is that because of historical reasons the speed of light is used interchangeably to something much more fundamental - the maximum speed at which information can propagate in space. Which is of course the speed of light in a vacuum but a better approach is the inverse - light in a vacuum moves at the maximum speed possible in our universe.
- weinzierl - 799 sekunder sedanI had learned about Cherenkov Radiation and its characteristic blue color at university. When, a couple of years later, the university had finished building a new research reactor, they had an open house day with guided tours. Of course I’d take one!
The new reactor was of the swimming pool type, and seen from the wraparound gallery above, you could easily mistake it for one. Except for the blue shimmer in the water.
Remembering my studies, my head went hot and cold. Hadn’t they said the reactor wasn’t operational yet? Or had I just assumed, because of the open day? ub So I hesitantly approached our guide and asked about the blue light, to which he answered in the most casual way you can imagine:
"Oh, that’s because of the Cherenkov Radiation."
Pause.
Laughter. Seeing the doubts in my eyes he had just been messing with me, and they had deliberately installed blue lights there to make the experience more realistic for the open day
- gste - 1785 sekunder sedanThis reminds me of prescientific explanations of the sun and stars
Like the best thing we have to remark on is the fact it is blue when this is probably the least remarkable thing about it
- intrasight - 3897 sekunder sedan> When charged particles moving faster than light travel in, for example, water, they perturb the energy equilibrium of the atoms that are in their way.
Why? How good an analogy is a sonic boom?
- HPsquared - 4515 sekunder sedanI wonder if there could be something other than vacuum, in which light would travel faster.
- freitzzz - 3519 sekunder sedanNot a science guy per se, is this blue the same blue in the radioactive accident in Goiânia’s?
- HelloUsername - 3139 sekunder sedanCompletely normal phenomenon