OpenAI engineer arrested in bugging of executive conference room
- simonw - 2369 sekunder sedanThese are not very smart spies:
> A chatbot account tied to Alfozan’s spouse, which shared identifiers with his own account, submitted prompts between Sept. 24 and Sept. 30 about building, installing, obscuring, and remotely accessing a recording device, prosecutors said. Queries included how to “build a continuous audio recorder” and “encrypt the SD card,” prosecutors claimed. On Sept. 27 and 28, the account asked about the specific device that was later found, including its unique MAC address.
- simonw - 2116 sekunder sedanThis guy previously worked at Meta from 2017 to 2022 on Data Infrastructure projects.
I expect Meta are running an audit right now to figure out if he was involved in espionage back then as well.
- mrandish - 768 sekunder sedan> "Scott Schelble, special agent in charge of the FBI’s San Francisco field office, said the agency is committed to protecting sensitive research and proprietary technology."
While the headlines and quotes seem designed to imply sophisticated industrial espionage, potentially by a state-level actor, what's public so far isn't adding up that way.
1. You're not going to get much actionable research material on proprietary technologies by audio bugging what's said in an executive conference room. That's what you'd do if you were after economic or deal negotiation info.
2. Hard to imagine a state-level actor buying a ~$15-$35 hobbyist ESP32 board from Seeed Studio (I've ordered a couple from there for home automation myself) and then asking a public chatbot for set up instructions.
3. They say he was an "engineer" who'd been there ~15 months. If you're an actual engineer at OAI and past the 1 year cliff, you're probably already sitting on RSUs likely to be worth at least $1M after OAI's IPO - and maybe much more. That's a lot of incentive to not get fired and probably makes you pretty hard to recruit as an internal mole for cash.
- throwa356262 - 3701 sekunder sedanPart of the evidence was his wife's chatgpt logs.
Remember kids, uncle Sam can see anything you tell your AI and will use that against you.
- delichon - 6778 sekunder sedan
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50078141Abdulrahman Alfozan, 35, a Saudi national, was arrested Friday and charged with using or attempting to use a device to intercept oral communications. - minimaxir - 8650 sekunder sedan> We used our models to understand the device and where it had come from
Did OpenAI do a marketing bit in the middle of an espionage accusation?
- Aboutplants - 4705 sekunder sedanHe was just gathering training data
- BeetleB - 2700 sekunder sedanChances are he'll escape back home before the trial:
https://www.propublica.org/article/saudi-fugitives-accused-o...
- int32_64 - 7530 sekunder sedanBetween this and the Ledger implants I wonder if AI companies will have a supply chain risk in the future where their models get exfiltrated over 5G.
Good time to start a company that builds giant Faraday cages over data centers.
- VBprogrammer - 1480 sekunder sedanThank god security at a company which...checks notes...has remote code execution on every developers laptop and access to practically unlimited secrets uploaded by its agents...is top notch.
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- vostrocity - 4762 sekunder sedanHow did they get that capture of Alfozan looking behind the TV? Does OpenAI install its own surveillance cameras behind TVs to prevent espionage?
- seydor - 5537 sekunder sedan> The employee was terminated.
in this context, they should be more specific about how terminal s/he is
- I_am_tiberius - 6002 sekunder sedanYou got me. I ask the obvious question: What's the "sophisticated" device?
- jacquesm - 804 sekunder sedanShould have used a local model...
- qkaze15 - 3127 sekunder sedanSounds like fair use to me! Information wants to be free, remember?
- tamimio - 2570 sekunder sedanLooking at the device pic in here https://sfstandard.com/2026/10/13/openai-engineer-arrested-a...
It looks like it’s the (SeeedStudio XIAO ESP32S3 Sense w/ WiFi, BLE, OV2640, Mic) https://ca.robotshop.com/products/seeedstudio-xiao-esp32s3-s...
Which is just an esp32s3 based device. I assume the word “sophisticated” in openAI report is just copy paste from device description.
- Imnimo - 4672 sekunder sedanI have seem some articles which reference allegations from court documents / complaint, but I haven't been able to find the primary source. Do we know if that's publicly available yet?
- chews - 738 sekunder sedanMBS using that sweet graykey behavior to exfiltrate what they can
- nfw2 - 2140 sekunder sedan> It was plugged into a USB port on the back of a television in an executive conference room and had been concealed in toilet paper
...uh what
- CamperBob2 - 1442 sekunder sedan>OpenAI said it has no indication that Alfozan improperly accessed or took model weights, source code, or customer data
Sounds like we know where their priorities lie, anyway.
- catchnear4321 - 3031 sekunder sedanseeedstudio getting some impressive pr here for those xiao boards.
- _DeadFred_ - 4594 sekunder sedanIn case you need to sweep your area a decent review of anti spy devices by project farm
- charcircuit - 5687 sekunder sedanWhy make this public? Usually companies just silently terminate and pursue employees who do this.
- Razengan - 7363 sekunder sedanAn iPhone? A laptop?
- TacticalCoder - 5785 sekunder sedan> The device was concealed in toilet paper, and its contents were encrypted.
Concealing a recording device in a conference room in toilet paper is a bit strange. Do executives meet in the toilets to discuss strategic moves?
- TheArchitectAut - 2674 sekunder sedan[dead]
- ChrisArchitect - 6631 sekunder sedanSome more discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50077703
- rvz - 8029 sekunder sedanSo but OpenAI did it to Apple and they were caught, and now OpenAI doesn't like it when it happens to them?
Either way, there goes the false flag and the reason for companies to stop hiring humans over this espionage.
- wren6991 - 6036 sekunder sedanThey're trying to distil OpenAI employees now. Absolutely shameless
- clustrfunk - 3958 sekunder sedanThere’s absolutely no way Abdulrahman did this. This was a setup.
Nördnytt! 🤓